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Irish Points: The Guide

How scores an placements work in championship competitions. Learn how to read your marks and how your rank is calculated.

IntroductionWhat are Irish Points?

Irish points are scoring system layered on top of the grades single judge scoring system that allows multiple judges to collectively determine the ranking of a competition. While confusing at first glance, the Irish point system is actually quite simple. No calculus is required, only addition and division are needed to calculate the final ranking.

The Irish points system is a way to normalize the marks given by the judges to ensure that the final ranking reflects the dancer's abilities and how well they performed.

Irish points accomplish two goals:

  • Normalize the given marks so that each judge's scores have the same weight when determining the final ranking.
  • Give higher marks more weight in the final ranking and give less weight to lower marks.

Practically, Irish points are given based on your rank from each individual judge. These points are then summed to determine your final score and rank.

Why Irish Points?

In championship, dancers are scored in the same way they are in grades. Judges individually determine a mark for the dancer for each round. Theoretically, each judge would give each dancer the same mark. However different judges do not see the same things and judges use different methods to keep track of dancers' performances. This means that only the marks from the same judge can be compared.

Example Distribution of Marks

Hard Shoe Round
Soft Shoe Round
Set Dance Round

Calculating Final Ranks

Calculating the final ranks of the dancer appears complicated, but it can be done in five simple steps.

  • Sum the marks given to each dancer by judge.
  • Use the summed marks to determine the ranking of each dancer by judge.
  • Convert the ranks to the corresponding Irish points value.
  • Sum the Irish points awarded to the dancer from every judge.
  • Use the total Irish points earned to determine the final ranking.

Now to calculate the final ranks for dancers in a championship style, two or three round, three judge competition using Irish points.

Step OneSum the Marks

The first step is to sum the marks given in each round by judge. The sample marks provided below will be used throughout all steps of this calculation.

Mark Awarded

Hard Shoe Round
DancerJudge AJudge BJudge C
1008868482
1025888785
109380.58082.5
1129817973
1141878684
1161857776
1359838586
1386898890
1414828283
1493807870
1504848079
153185.58381.5
1578918781
Soft Shoe Round
1008838283
1025908388
109382.58181.5
1129777971
1141868687
1161827880
1359858584
1386908889
1414818482
1493787771
1504807672
1531878080
1578898782
Set Dance Round
1008878584
1025888792
1093818180
1129808075
1141867482
1161827878
1359838380
1386898684
1414858481
1493757776
1504787575
1531797972
1578908380

Starting with dancer 1008, summing the marks given by each judge will give the total marks for this dancer.

Marks Awarded to Dancer 1008

Judge AJudge BJudge C
Hard Shoe Round868482
Soft Shoe Round838283
Set Dance Round878584
Total Marks256251249

Performing the same action with the rest of the competitors gives the following total marks.

Total Marks Awarded

Judge AJudge BJudge C
1008256251249
1025266257265
1093244242244
1129238238219
1141259246253
1161249233234
1359251253250
1386268262263
1414248250246
1493233232217
1504242231226
1531251.5242233.5
1578270257243

Step TwoDetermine Each Judge's Ranking

The next step is to determine the rank each competitor received by each judge. This is simply done by ordering the competitors by their total marks.

Ranks Awarded by Judge A

Total MarksRank
15782701st
13862682nd
10252663rd
11412594th
10082565th
1531251.56th
13592517th
11612498th
14142489th
109324410th
150424211th
112923812th
149323313th

Performing the same action with the rest of the judges gives the following ranks.

Ranks Awarded

Judge AJudge BJudge C
10085th6th5th
10253rd2nd - T1st
109310th8th - T7th
112912th10th12th
11414th4th3rd
11618th11th9th
13597th5th4th
13862nd1st2nd
14149th7th6th
149313th12th13th
150411th13th11th
15316th8th - T10th
15781st2nd - T8th

Notice that there are two set of ties from Judge B.

  • Competitors 1025 and 1578 tied for 2nd.
  • Competitors 1531 and 1093 tied for 8th.

This will affect the Irish points awarded to each dancer in the next step.

Step ThreeConvert the Ranks to Irish Points

The next step is to convert the ranks from each judge into the corresponding Irish point value. The number of Irish points each rank receives is predetermined for places 1-50. All dancers beyond 50th place receive 0 points.

Irish Point Conversion Table

Rank1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10th11th12th13th14th15th16th17th18th19th20th21st22nd23rd24th25th26th27th28th29th30th31st32nd33rd34th35th36th37th38th39th40th41st42nd43rd44th45th46th47th48th49th50th
Irish Points Awarded10075656056535047454341393837363534333231302928272625242322212019181716151413121110987654321

In certain scenarios dancers beyond 50th place receive “extended” Irish points. This is to avoid ties in the final ranking of large competitions. These values are not standardized and are determined by the group tabulating the results.

For the most part, the conversion of rank into Irish points is straightforward. Each rank has one corresponding point value, the only complication is ties. Just like with most competitions, ties cause ranks to be skipped. This can be seen with the ranks awarded by Judge B. There is a two way tie for 2nd, which causes 3rd place to be skipped and there is a two way tie for 8th, which causes 9th place to be skipped.

However the points for the skipped places are still awarded. The points for the tied place and all skipped places are summed and divided equally amongst the dancers that have tied.

Irish Point Conversion Table

Rank...2nd3rd...8th9th...
Irish Points Awarded...7565...5653...

Calculating the number of Irish points the dancers in 2nd and 8th receive:

2nd Place
75 + 65
2
=
70
8th Place
47 + 45
2
=
46

Converting the rest of the ranks into Irish points:

Irish Points Awarded

Judge AJudge BJudge C
1008565356
10256570100
1093434650
1129394339
1141606065
1161474145
1359505660
13867510075
1414455053
1493383938
1504413841
1531534643
15781007047

Step FourDetermine the Total Irish Points Received by Each Dancer

The fourth step is to sum the Irish points awarded to each dancer from every judge. This will produce the value that will determine the final ranking.

Irish Points Awarded to Dancer 1008
56 + 53 + 56 = 165

For a two round competition the Irish points awarded would be summed in the same manner. The only difference would be that there are two values to add instead of three.

Adding up all of the Irish points awarded by the judges gives the following totals.

Total Irish Points Awarded

DancerTotal Irish Points
1008165
1025235
1093139
1129121
1141185
1161133
1359166
1386250
1414148
1493115
1504120
1531142
1578217

Step FiveDetermine the Final Ranking

The easiest step is determining the final ranking. Sort all the dancers by the number of Irish points they received. The dancer with the most points wins.

Final Rankings

DancerTotal Irish PointsRank
13862501st
10252352nd
15782173rd
11411854th
13591665th
10081656th
14141487th
15311428th
10931399th
116113310th
112912111th
150412012th
149311513th

This is the final ranking of the dancers that will be awarded at the competition.

ConclusionUnderstanding Irish Points

Hopefully this guide has helped you understand the Irish point system. It appears complicated at first glance, but it can be reduced to a few simple steps that are easy to wrap your head around once you know what they are. Please share this guide with any new championship family to help them understand their dancers' marks and ranking. If you have any questions or any suggestion to better this guide, please reach out through Planxti's contact page.

BonusRound Medals

Feiseanna will usually award round medals before awarding the overall winners of a championship competition. Round medals are usually awarded by selecting a random judge from each round and using their ranking to award the medals. With this method it's possible that a dancer could win two or three round medals and not make it into the top three of the final ranking. While rare, it's also possible that they could win a medal in each round but not place in the top half.